Intro (0s)

• Robert Greene is an internationally renowned expert on power strategies.
• People are terrible at dealing with people and can be easily manipulated.
• Body language and eyes can reveal a lot about a person.
• Frenemies sabotage and hurt you, and you should avoid them.

Why did you write a book about human nature? (2m35s)

• Greene wrote the book "The Laws of Human Nature" to share his experiences and observations about human behavior.
• People are terrible at dealing with people and make mistakes in their interactions.
• People wear masks and are strategic in their public interactions.
• Misreading people can lead to negative consequences and emotional pain.
• People are becoming worse at reading and understanding others due to technology and virtual interactions.

How do we reverse a lack of self-awareness? (4m34s)

• Lack of self-awareness is a problem in today's society due to excessive screen time and decreased human interaction.
• The first step to reversing a lack of self-awareness is to acknowledge that you need the skill of dealing with people.
• Look inward and examine your own nature, including your tendencies towards narcissism and irrationality.
• Reflect on your past mistakes and problems caused by poor people skills.
• Genuinely desire the knowledge and don't treat it as a casual interest.

How to get rid of qualities we don’t like about ourselves (7m1s)

• Confronting and examining one's flaws and weaknesses, rather than denying or repressing them, is crucial for personal growth and change.
• Recognizing that everyone has flaws and weaknesses, including narcissism and self-absorption, can be a positive step towards self-awareness and acceptance.
• Awareness of compulsive patterns in intimate relationships and work can empower individuals to change these patterns and improve their lives.
• Becoming aware of one's true self, even if it involves confronting dark qualities, can be an enlightening and euphoric experience, leading to greater authenticity and self-acceptance.

Where does our dark side come from? (11m55s)

• Our dark side comes from childhood when we repress our natural aggressive and darker qualities to conform to societal expectations.
• These repressed emotions don't disappear but manifest in unexpected outbursts or explosions of anger.
• The shadow side contains a lot of energy and power that can be channeled into productive outlets like ambition and creativity.
• The dark side should not be expressed in a harmful or aggressive manner.
• Find productive ways to channel the energy from the dark side, such as ambition, creativity, or physical activity.

How to pursue that thing you’ve always wanted to do (15m29s)

• Avoid dwelling on negative emotions and instead channel them into productive actions or movements.
• Be aware of the forces that try to hold you back when you venture into new territories or seek change.
• Pay attention to your frustrations and use them as a guide for self-improvement.
• Leaving a prestigious job may require courage, but it's necessary to avoid long-term suffering.
• Failure is a learning opportunity, and there's often a way back if things don't work out.
• Significant pain and frustration are often necessary to prompt major life changes.
• The "death ground strategy" involves committing fully to a goal without a backup plan, which can lead to greater motivation and success.
• Humans are physically weaker compared to other species, but our intelligence and cooperation have allowed us to survive and thrive.
• Feeling a sense of pressure or urgency can motivate individuals to take action and accomplish their goals.

The unseen importance of creating a sense of urgency (27m54s)

• Creating a sense of urgency can help accomplish tasks more quickly.
• Great leaders often exhibit a sense of urgency and desperation.
• Practical ways to create a sense of urgency:
  • Set challenging but achievable goals.
  • Avoid setting goals that are too easy or too difficult.
  • Find the "sweet spot" where the challenge is just above your current abilities.

How to know if you’re following a false purpose (29m47s)

• Challenges are essential for personal growth and motivation.
• Finding one's true purpose leads to a sense of fulfillment and makes achieving goals easier.
• Knowing what one doesn't want is a powerful tool in staying focused on one's purpose.
• Distractions can be disguised as opportunities, so it's important to have a clear goal and purpose to distinguish between them.
• Robert Greene, author of "The 48 Laws of Power," uses his experience in Hollywood to illustrate the importance of discernment in choosing opportunities.
• Greene values his current position as a writer with more power and control over his work and chooses not to pursue a television show based on his book.
• Greene emphasizes that this level of discernment comes with experience and may be more difficult for younger individuals to achieve.

Should a young person just be saying yes to everything? (36m17s)

• Young people should not just say yes to everything.
• They need to have some direction and focus in their lives.
• They should experiment with different things, but they should also develop some real skills.
• They should not waste their time on things that they do not like.
• They should learn to say no and save their energy for what they really love.
• Paul Graham got into AI when he was 18 or 19 years old.
• He went down the path of academia and computer programming.
• He hated it and quit to become a painter.
• He came back to New York and lived in a loft, painting and being happy.
• He heard an advertisement on the radio for Netscape and created the first prototype for all the things we have now.
• Yahoo ended up buying it for $5 million.

How to manage other people that get in the way of what we want to do (40m14s)

• People often mistake appearances for reality and take people's masks for their true selves.
• To be great at using other people's human nature to your advantage, you need to look behind people's masks and learn what's really going on behind them.
• Some basics about human nature:
  • People like to believe they are essentially good and virtuous.
  • People never want to feel stupid and want to believe they are intelligent.
  • People want to believe they are in control of their lives and do things because they decide to.
• Understanding these basics gives you the power to use them for influence and persuasion.
• Envy is a powerful emotion that can be used for power and influence.
• People are more likely to be interested in what other people are doing than what they are told to do.
• This can be used to market products and services by getting people to compare themselves to others and feel envious.

Do we have to lie to be successful? (43m6s)

• Humans naturally compare themselves to others and form opinions about themselves.
• People can use this knowledge to manipulate others for various purposes.
• Lying is a common human behavior that can be used strategically.
• Non-verbal communication can reveal a person's true intentions.
• People constantly adapt their behavior based on the situation and the person they interact with.
• Politeness and social interactions require some level of deception to maintain smoothness.
• Showing weakness may yield little in return, while projecting strength and making firm demands can earn respect.
• The principles discussed should be applied selectively and not universally.
• Setting a high value for oneself and believing in it can attract others to give what is asked for.
• Confident individuals tend to bring out the confident side of others, creating a contagious effect.
• Women may face different standards and judgments when projecting confidence.

How to read someone's body language (51m51s)

• Body language is a form of intelligence that involves attuning oneself to other people's emotions and vibes.
• Overall, look for an energy or word that defines a person, such as anxious, outgoing, or impatient.
• Pay attention to specific cues, such as dead eyes, which may indicate a lack of engagement or psychopathic tendencies.
• The tone of a person's voice can reveal their confidence levels, emotional tone, and character.
• Smiles can be authentic or fake. An authentic smile lights up the whole face, while a fake smile only involves the mouth.

A smile says loads about how someone feels about you (54m32s)

• Body language can indicate a person's interest or disinterest. For example, if someone's body is facing another direction while talking to you, they may not be fully engaged.
• Catching people by surprise can reveal their true feelings through micro expressions of disdain before they put on a fake smile. These micro expressions last less than a second and require careful observation to detect.

People's personalities are contagious (56m51s)

• People's personalities are contagious and can reveal whether they genuinely like someone or are being fake.
• If someone acts overly friendly or pretends to be interested in you, it may be a sign that they are not being genuine.
• Body language can provide clues about a person's true feelings and intentions.

Frenemies, what they mean and how to spot one (57m18s)

• Negative and dramatic individuals can spread their negative energy to others, making it important to avoid such people.
• Insecure individuals can make others feel insecure, while confident and productive people can have a positive influence.
• Envy is a powerful emotion that can lead to sabotage and hurt, and can be a driving force behind friendships, leading to hurtful behavior from the envious friend.
• Frenemies are people who befriend others out of envy and may engage in harmful behavior while pretending to be friendly.
• Envy can arise when friends achieve success and their circumstances change, leading to resentment and unkind behavior from the envious friends.
• Confronting and overcoming feelings of envy is essential for personal growth and maintaining healthy relationships.

What's the most controversial point from your book? (1h6m42s)

• Greene's book, "The 48 Laws of Power," is controversial because it suggests that humans are not inherently good and that manipulation is a common part of life.
• Some people find the book's content disturbing because it reminds them of negative experiences with manipulative individuals.
• Greene argues that the book can actually be a valuable defense against manipulation because it teaches readers how to recognize and avoid manipulative tactics.
• People who have experienced pain and suffering are more likely to appreciate the book's insights into human nature.
• The book was particularly well-received by African-Americans and people in the hip-hop industry who were already familiar with the darker aspects of human nature.

Does equality exist when we all strive for power? (1h9m25s)

• The CIA agent mentioned that equality is not possible because the human world is hierarchical and power-driven.
• People pretend to want equality, but their actions reveal a desire for power and hierarchy.
• Politics, business, and other games are all about hierarchies and power dynamics.
• Greene agrees that there is a hierarchical nature in humans.
• However, he believes in a form of equality where everyone has the potential to fulfill their destiny and be great.
• Greene emphasizes the uniqueness of every individual and their potential for greatness.
• He cites the example of Temple Grandin, who overcame severe autism to become a successful animal behavioral scientist.

Becoming the best, what it really means (1h12m29s)

• Greatness can be objective (becoming the best in the world) or subjective (becoming the best version of oneself).
• Different levels of greatness exist, and not everyone needs to be famous or successful to achieve it.
• Finding what you love and are passionate about, and being fully engaged and fulfilled in your work, is crucial.
• Both ambitious individuals and those content with their achievements can find greatness if they love and are challenged by their work.
• Pursuing one's dreams and aspirations is essential to avoid regret and disappointment later in life.

Is death a motivator for you? (1h18m11s)

• The speaker's near-death experience has given them a heightened awareness of their mortality and a sense of urgency to accomplish their goals.
• They emphasize the importance of living in the present moment and not taking things for granted.
• The speaker encourages younger people to recognize the urgency of life and to make the most of their time.
• Appreciating the simple things in life, such as health and physical activities, becomes more apparent when they are no longer easily accessible.

The importance of relationships (1h24m49s)

• Relationships are important and should not be taken for granted.
• Romantic relationships can save lives.
• Falling deeply in love with someone involves letting go of ego, defenses, and resistance.
• People miss out on sublime experiences because they fear vulnerability and pain.

How to deal with dark thoughts (1h27m1s)

• Dark thoughts are common and can include guilt, self-doubt, depression, and unworthiness.
• Robert Greene has experienced dark thoughts and doubts about his success and work.
• He was tough on himself and had a belief that he could always do better.
• Some of his dark thoughts revolve around his declining physical abilities and whether life is worth living without certain activities.

Advice for people going through self-doubt & hard moments (1h29m9s)

• Focus on accomplishments and the impact made, such as published books and podcasts.
• Consider the improbability of existence and the wonder of being alive.
• Acknowledge that emotional connections are necessary for those contemplating suicide.
• Encourage taking small steps to create evidence of self-worth.

Why did you write this book, The Sublime? (1h33m17s)

• The author had the idea for the book about 20 years ago after reading about the Sublime and being excited by the concept.
• He originally planned to write the book after finishing his third book, but got sidetracked by other projects.
• The last chapters of his books, 50 Cent and Human Nature, both touch on the Sublime, specifically in relation to death and mortality.
• After nearly dying, the author felt compelled to finally write the book, despite his limitations.
• The experience of nearly dying has forced him to find the Sublime in everyday life.
• The author is currently writing a chapter on the ancient Greek concept of the "daemon," which is a guardian spirit that guides individuals.
• He is exploring the idea of a higher self and how it communicates with individuals, connecting it to purpose and other ideas about the Universe.
• The author is also writing a chapter about interspecies communication and the Sublime, which has changed the way he views animals.

What would be your parting message to the world? (1h37m43s)

• Robert Greene's books focus on the reality of life and how to master it through strategic thinking, rather than relying on illusions and wishful thinking.
• He criticizes those who rely solely on moralistic ideas and virtue signaling without engaging in effective strategies to bring about change.
• To be successful, one must detach from emotional reactions and strategically consider actions that will lead to the desired outcome.
• Defeating an adversary requires strategizing and thinking through their reactions to different approaches, potentially surprising them with unexpected angles to gain control of the situation.
• Strategizing involves gaming out possibilities and thinking through various scenarios.

How can we rise above our emotional reactions? (1h43m34s)

• Being strategic is the opposite of stupidity.
• Emotional reactions hinder effective strategies.
• Mastering the ability to rise above emotional reactions is desirable.
• It is harder to control emotional reactions when younger due to hormonal influences.
• Detaching from emotions can be achieved by entering a "zen mode" and viewing triggering words as neutral and meaningless.
• Writing angry emails but not sending them can help process emotions.

How has your research influenced how you view politics? (1h45m15s)

• Lack of sleep can significantly impair decision-making abilities.
• American politics is currently experiencing significant division, with the left moving further left and the speaker feeling trapped between the two sides.
• Businesses often prioritize short-term gains over long-term vision due to pressure from investors and Wall Street.
• Politics faces similar constraints, with elections every few years preventing politicians from taking a long-term perspective.
• People today lack a strong connection to political parties, leading to volatile voting patterns.
• The absence of a compelling narrative or vision for America and political parties contributes to this volatility.

The last guest's question (1h52m38s)

• To be successful, create a vision that emotionally connects with people rather than focusing solely on policies, as Robert Greene believes Democrats do.
• Greene emphasizes the importance of creating a unifying myth that connects people despite their differences.
• Greene regrets not taking it slower and preventing his stroke while writing "The Laws of Human Nature" but believes it happened for a reason.
• Greene highlights the significance of tiny, unpredictable events throughout history and their potential to have a significant impact on our lives.
• We cannot change physical circumstances, but we can control our reactions through the Stoic philosophy.
• Robert Greene's upcoming book, Sublime, has been in the making for six years due to his unique writing process, which involves handwriting, dictation, and editing.
• Greene's existing books offer challenging and enduring wisdom that remains valuable in today's society.